that they brought to the campaign. i mean i think there is say chance here. i think the nra has stumbled badly. they boast an increase in membership. i think they are like the tea party. they misunderstand what is going on in the country, the change in mood in the country, especially after newtown. the tea party defeated richard luggar in indiana and was full of themselves and now instead of conservative republican holding that seat, like lugar it is a moderate democrat joe done oly holding that seat. i think the nra is very much in the same my op oik mind-set. and i think that shall did --. >> i think i disagree. i think they know what they are doing. they know what is happening but they are making sure gun owners think obama going to take away your guns. >> woodruff: thank you both. and mark and david keep up the talk on the "doubleheader," recorded in our newsroom. that will be posted at the top of the rundown later tonight. >> brown: finally, a word about tonight's edition of "need to know" on pbs. as the discussion goes on in washington about revising the federal tax code, "need to know"